Category: Ecclesiology

This is one of my first blog posts a long time ago.  I was re-looking at it and thought it was quite interesting inlight of how the emerging church, mission has developed, also since I have done a degree in youth work.  Moreover, with Mark Oestreicher’s Youth Ministry 3.0.

Mark Driscoll the pastor of Mars Hill Church Seattle, USA, has a really interesting post here on Church 3.0. I have put the post into a grid to see the different ‘grades’ of church side by side:




In this version, the church is traditional and institutional…

Today’s dominant church form is contemporary and seeker-sensitive…

This incarnation of the church emerging and missional…

The cultural context is modern.

The cultural context is somewhere between modern and postmodern.

The cultural context is postmodern and pluralistic.

The church expects to have a privileged place in the larger culture.

A culture war is being fought to regain a lost position of privilege.

The church accepts that it’s marginalized in culture.

Pastors are servants and teachers.

Pastors are CEOs.

Pastors are local missionaries.

The whole church are local missionaries.

Church services are marked by traditions most comforting to Christians, such as choirs, robes, hymnals, and organs.

Church services recycle 1980s and 1990s pop culture, such as acoustic guitars and drama, in an effort to attract non-Christian seekers.

Church services blend ancient forms and current local styles.

Do we have to have ‘Church services’?

Missions involves sending Americans and dollars overseas through denominations and missions agencies.

Missions is a church department that organizes overseas trips and funding.

Missions is “glocal” (global and local).

Along with the emergence of Church 3.0, an escalating debate is being raised over such cultural issues as sexuality and gender, as well as theological issues such as the atonement and hell. In the coming months this column will further explore the emerging controversies and trends of Church 3.0.

I have found this a really interesting post and has got me thinking about Youth Ministry 3.0:

  • What would that look like?
  • How would Youth Ministry 3.0 fit into Church 3.0?
  • How can church/Youth ministry 2.0 move to 3.0?

I think that Youth Ministry if often the first area to upgrade in a church and so often is already 3.0, but the rest of the church is still 1.0/2.0…


I like this photo essay by Steve Collins called urban church.

What Would Jesus Buy? What a great question to ask ourselves and help young people to ask as well. I think it raises so many questions about power, trade, and ultimately…us, the consumes.

Its interesting that the makers have chosen to use the gimmick of WWJD and a church minister. Why the religious imagery to get across a social message, is it just the Christmas thing or is it that really we, the church, should be asking these questions and we are not? Just a thought.

I like the look of this film, will have to ‘buy’ it!

In a previous post a wile ago, I had been smitten by Mark Driscoll’s (from Mars Hill Church, Seattle, USA & Acts 29 Church Planting Network) new book: Confessions of a Reformission Rev.: Hard Lessons from an Emerging Missional Church (Leadership Network Innovation). In the book he talks about the Missional Ministry Matrix being: 1. our Christology determines how we do our 2. Ecclesiology this determines our 3. Missiology and this then determines how we do 4. Ministry.

Over the last year of being a student with Bristol Center for Youth Ministry as well as working with Richard Passmore on Church on the Edge I come to have a 2.0 paradigm shift with my Missiology/Ecclesiology.

Our Ecclesiology has to be birthed our of our Missiology. If we start with a church then I can’t see how we can do true mission. We will already have set ideas and structures in place. So the mission group will have to fit into a ’round hole’ to ‘do’ church. Yet if we start with the mission group, and form church around them, we would hopefully be working together to create something brand new that would be true to the culture we were reaching.

I know that there would be lots of concerns about this, once again it is a threat to power, the ways things have always been done. This Missiology/Ecclesiology could get out of hand, could go ‘South’. Yes…it could. But, for so long we have been trying to change the church formulas to get them in and mission of sorts has been shaped out of these formulas. Maybe its time that we gave mission a chance to lead the way and see what creative, new and amazing churches could be birthed.

One of the most helpful and practical things that I have ever read regarding ministry was in Mark Driscoll’s (from Mars Hill Church, Seattle, USA & Acts 29 Church Planting Network) new book: Confessions of a Reformission Rev.: Hard Lessons from an Emerging Missional Church (Leadership Network Innovation).

So I decided to start to look at the four areas of the Missional Ministry Matrix (MMM):

1. Christology
2. Ecclesiology
3. Missiology
4. Ministry

Through looking at these four areas, it will not only help me think though my current youth work but also future church planting.

TallSkinnyKiwi has a really interesting post The WiFi Enabled Church, posts like this really get me thinking about so many possibilities for church and ministry, so many tools, so many possibilities. The problem being that having these tools is fine for churches and communities that have the £, $, €. But what about churches in poor communities, can wifi be a realistic possibility when no one has the tec to connect and take advantage of the possibilities? Or maybe these churches should provide the tec so that there communities can access the church from an education point of view and start to bridge the tec gap…

I really love this quote on jonnybaker Blog from Howard Snyder’s book ‘liberating the church’

“The church gets in trouble whenever it thinks its in the church business rather than the Kingdom business. In the church business people are concerned with church activities, religious behaviour and spiritual things. In the Kingdom business people are concerned with Kingdom activities, all human behaviour and everything God has made, visible and invisible. Kingdom people see human affairs as saturated with spiritual meaning and Kingdom significance.

Kingdom people seek first the Kingdom of God and its justice; church people often put church work above concerns of justice, mercy and truth. Church people often think about how to get people into church; Kingdom people think about how to get the church into the world. Church people worry that the world might change the church; Kingdom people work to see the church chnage the world.

When Christians put the church ahead of the Kingdom they settle for the status quo and their own kind of people. When they catch a vision of the Kingdom of God their sights shift to the poor, the orphan, the widow, the refugee ‘the wretched of the earth’ and to God’s future. They see the life and work of the church from the perspective of the Kingdom.

If the church has one great need it is this: to be set free for the Kingdom of God, to be liberated from itself as it has become in order to be itself as God intends…”